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Post by volstopfan14 on Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:21 pm

I have put together some ratings for coaches in NCAA 12. This is all based on opinion, so I know there are flaws. I tried to put all bias aside and judge each coach fairly. One thing I did differently than most ratings is lowered every coordinator by a full letter grade. The reason I did that is so it is not easy for a OC/DC to transition to being a HC. For example, had coaches been in NCAA 11, Will Muschamp would have been one of the top DCs in the game. He probably would have been given an A or A+ rating by most. Now Muschamp is the HC at Florida, and most ratings I've seen have him about a B-. For that reason, I've lowered the coordinators grades to make dynasty more realistic. If anyone wants to use these they can, and if anyone has any input on possible changes I'd love to hear it. The reason I posted this is I'm looking for input to try to make this better.

NOTE: Some team's HC also serves as a coordinator. For those teams, I tried to pick the top assistant on that side of the ball. Some teams have co-coordinators. I tried to pick the one who was the play caller.

HC
Spoiler:
A+
Nick Saban (Alabama)

A
Chris Peterson (Boise State)
Gary Patterson (TCU)
Mack Brown (Texas)
Bob Stoops (Oklahoma)
Frank Beamer (Virginia Tech)
Joe Paterno (Penn State)

A-
Bret Bielema (Wisconsin)
Chip Kelly (Oregon)
Bo Pelini (Nebraska)
Les Miles (LSU)
Steve Spurrier (South Carolina)

B+
Kyle Whittingham (Utah)
Mike Gundy (Oklahoma State)
Bill Snyder (Kansas State)
Bobby Petrino (Arkansas)
Jimbo Fisher (Florida State)
Gary Pinkel (Missouri)
Kirk Ferentz (Iowa)
Paul Johnson (Georgia Tech)
Chris Ault (Nevada)
Mark Richt (Georgia)
Brian Kelly (Notre Dame)

B
Gene Chizik (Auburn)
Mike Riley (Oregon State)
Troy Calhoun (Air Force)
Dan Mullen (Mississippi State)
Skip Holtz (South Florida)
Al Golden (Miami)
Butch Davis (North Carolina)
Mark Dantonio (Michigan State)
Charlie Strong (Louisville)
Jeff Tedford (California)
Bronco Mendenhall (BYU)
Greg Schiano (Rutgers)
June Jones (SMU)
Tommy Tuberville (Texas Tech)

B-
Derek Dooley (Tennessee)
Will Muschamp (Florida)
Steve Sarkisian (Washington)
Lane Kiffin (USC)
Dennis Erickson (Arizona State)
Mike Stoops (Arizona)
Mike Sherman (Texas A&M)
Jerry Kill (Minnesota)
Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern)
Paul Rhoads (Iowa State)
Tom O’Brien (NC State)
Randy Edsall (Maryland)
Brady Hoke (Michigan)
Houston Nutt (Ole Miss)
Ken Niumatalolo (Navy)
Doug Marrone (Syracuse)
George O’Leary (UCF)
Kevin Sumlin (Houston)
Pat Hill (Fresno State)
Larry Blakeny (Troy)
Dana Holgerson (West Virginia)

C+
David Shaw (Stanford)
Kevin Wilson (Indiana)
Art Briles (Baylor)
Todd Graham (Pittsburgh)
Joker Phillips (Kentucky)
Larry Fedora (Southern Miss)
Dabo Swinney (Clemson)
Frank Spaziani (Boston College)
Ron Zook (Illinois)
Paul Pasqualoni (Connecticut)
Butch Jones (Cincinnati)

C
Mike London (Virginia)
David Cutcliffe (Duke)
Frank Solich (Ohio)
Howard Schnellenberger (FAU)
Rich Ellerson (Army)
Rob Akey (Idaho)
Greg McMackin (Hawaii)
Rick Neuheisel (UCLA)
Mario Cristobal (FIU)
Jim Grobe (Wake Forest)
Danny Hope (Purdue)
Jon Embree (Colorado)
Doc Holliday (Marshall)
Ruffin McNeil (East Carolina)
Dave Doeren (Northern Illinois)
Rick Stockstill (Middle Tennessee)
Luke Fickell (Ohio State)
James Franklin (Vanderbilt)
Turner Gill (Kansas)

C-
Paul Wulff (Washington State)
David Bailiff (Rice)
Mike Price (UTEP)
Bobby Hauck (UNLV)
Rocky Long (San Diego State)
Bill Blankenship (Tulsa)
Tim Beckman (Toledo)
Dave Clawson (Bowling Green)
Pete Lembo (Ball State)
Bill Cubit (Western Michigan)
Don Treadwell (Miami Ohio)
Dave Christensen (Wyoming)
Dan McCarney (North Texas)
Mark Hudspeth (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Willie Taggart (Western Kentucky)
Hugh Freeze (Arkansas State)

D+
Bob Toledo (Tulane)
Larry Porter (Memphis)
Neil Calloway (UAB)
Steve Addazio (Temple)
Darrell Hazell (Kent State)
Dan Enos (Central Michigan)
Jeff Quinn (Buffalo)
Rob Ianello (Akron)
Ron English (Eastern Michigan)
Steve Fairchild (Colorado State)
Todd Berry (Louisiana-Monroe)
Gary Andersen (Utah State)
Mike MacIntyre (San Jose State)
DeWayne Walker (New Mexico State)
Mike Locksley (New Mexico)

OC
Spoiler:

B
Gus Malzahn (Auburn)

B-
Brian Harsin (Texas)
Paul Chryst (Wisconsin)
Justin Fuente (TCU)

C+
Dana Bible (NC State)
Charlie Weis (Florida)
Al Borges (Michigan)
Jim Chaney (Tennessee)
Jim McElwain (Alabama)
David Yost (Missouri)
Neal Brown (Texas Tech)
Gray Crowton (Maryland)
Steve Kragthorpe (LSU)
Mark Helfrich (Oregon)
Norm Chow (Utah)

C
Lincoln Riley (ECU)
Seth Littrell (Arizona)
Chad Morris (Clemson)
John Shoop (North Carolina)
David Lee (Ole Miss)
Garrick McGee (Arkansas)
Paul Petrino (Illinois)
Tony Franklin (Louisiana Tech)
Frank Cignetti (Rutgers)
Galen Hall (Penn State)
Nick Rolovich (Hawaii)

C-
Mike Bobo (Georgia)
Josh Heupel (Oklahoma)
Brent Pease (Boise State)
Jim Bollman (Ohio State)
Jason Phillips (Houston)
Kennedy Pola (USC)
Eric Bieniemy (Colorado)
Phillip Montgomery (Baylor)
Steve Spurrier Jr. (South Carolina)
Calvin Magee (Pittsburgh)
Todd Fitch (South Florida)
Ken O’Keefe (Iowa)
Mick McCall (Northwestern)
Noel Mazzone (Arizona State)
Jim Michalczik (California)
Danny Langsdorf (Oregon State)
Dan Morrison (SMU)
Charley Molnar (Notre Dame)
Gary Nord (Purdue)
Mike Sanford (Louisville)

D+
James Coley (Florida State)
Les Koenning (Mississippi State)
Tim Beck (Nebraska)
Randy Sanders (Kentucky)
Jedd Fisch (Miami)
Ivin Jasper (Navy)
Todd Herman (Iowa State)
Todd Monken (Oklahoma State)
George DeLeone (Connecticut)
Dan Roushar (Michigan State)
Rod Smith (Indiana)
Pep Hamilton (Stanford)
Mike Johnson (UCLA)
Charlie Taaffe (UCF)
Brandon Doman (BYU)
Clay Hendrix (Air Force)
Andy Ludwig (San Diego State)
Gregg Brandon (Wyoming)
Jeff Grady (Fresno State)
Cameron Norcross (Nevada)
Mike O’Cain (Virginia Tech)

D
Kevin Rogers (Boston College)
Chuck Long (Kansas)
Tom Rossley (Texas A&M)
John Donovan (Vanderbilt)
Del Miller (Kansas State)
Nathaniel Hackett (Syracuse)
Mike Bajakian (Cincinnati)
Matt Limegrover (Minnesota)
Doug Nussmeier (Washington)
Bill Legg (Marshall)
Blake Anderson (Southern Miss)
Ian Shields (Army)
Scott Loeffler (Temple)
Matt Canada (Northern Illinois)
Tim Albin (Ohio)
Mike Canales (North Texas)
Kenny Edenfield (Troy)
Steve Axman (Idaho)
Doug Martin (New Mexico State)
Shannon Dawson (West Virginia)

D-
Kurt Roper (Duke)
Brian Bohannon (Georgia Tech)
Bill Lazor (Virginia)
Steed Lobotzke (Wake Forest)
Todd Sturdy (Washington State)
John Reagan (Rice)
Greg Davis Jr. (Tulane)
Greg Peterson (Tulsa)
Kim Helton (UAB)
Bob Connelly (UTEP)
Warren Ruggiero (Bowling Green)
Alex Wood (Buffalo)
Mike Cummings (Central Michigan)
Brian Rock (Kent State)
John Klacik (Miami Ohio)
Matt Campbell (Toledo)
Pat Meyer (Colorado State)
Darryl Jackson (FAU)
Scott Satterfield (FIU)
Willie Simmons (Middle Tennessee State)
Dave Baldwin (Utah State)

F
Eric Price (Memphis)
John Latina (Akron)
Rich Skrosky (Ball State)
Ken Karcher (Eastern Michigan)
Ryan Cubit (Western Michigan)
Rob Phenicie (UNLV)
Grant Heard (Arkansas State)
Jay Johnson (Louisiana-Lafayette)
Steve Farmer (Louisiana-Monroe)
Zach Azzanni (Western Kentucky)
John DeFilippo (San Jose State)
David Reaves (New Mexico)

DC
Spoiler:

B
Kirby Smart (Alabama)

B-
Bud Foster (Virginia Tech)
Brent Venables (Oklahoma)
Monte Kiffin (USC)
Dick Bumpas (TCU)

C+
John Chavis (LSU)
Justin Wilcox (Tennessee)
Mark Stoops (Florida State)
Al Groh (Georgia Tech)
Tim DeRuyter (Texas A&M)
Kevin Steele (Clemson)
Manny Diaz (Texas)
Jeff Casteel (West Virginia)
Nick Aliotti (Oregon)
Gregg Mattison (Michigan)
Norm Parker (Iowa)
Tom Bradley (Penn State)
Clancy Pendergast (California)

C
Bill McGovern (Boston College)
Todd Grantham (Georgia)
Tyronne Nix (Ole Miss)
Ellis Johnson (South Carolina)
Pete Kwiatkowski (Boise State)
Everett Withers (North Carolina)
Bill Young (Oklahoma State)
Nick Holt (Washington)
Jim Heacock (Ohio State)
Dave Steckel (Missouri)
Carl Pelini (Nebraska)
Don Brown (Connecticut)
Vic Koenning (Illinois)
Bob Diaco (Notre Dame)

C-
Ted Roof (Auburn)
Willy Robinson (Arkansas)
Mark D’Onofrio (Miami)
Phil Bennett (Baylor)
Wally Burnham (Iowa State)
Chris Cosh (Kansas State)
Keith Patterson (Pittsburgh)
Mark Snyder (South Florida)
Pat Narduzzi (Michigan State)
Tim Kish (Arizona)
Craig Bray (Arizona State)
Mark Banker (Oregon State)
Kalani Sitake (Utah)
Dan Quinn (Florida)
Rick Minter (Kentucky)
Brian Stewart (Houston)

D+
Mike Archer (NC State)
Jim Reid (Virginia)
Chad Glasglow (Texas Tech)
Vance Bedford (Louisville)
Bob Fraser (Rutgers)
Scott Shafer (Syracuse)
Doug Mallory (Indiana)
Mike Hankwitz (Northwestern)
Gary Emanuel (Purdue)
Chris Ash (Wisconsin)
Greg Brown (Colorado)
Joe Tresey (UCLA)
Geoff Collins (Mississippi State)
Tom Mason (SMU)
Buddy Green (Navy)
Matt Wallerstedt (Air Force)
Dave Wommack (Arkansas State)
Todd Orlando (FIU)
Jeremy Rowell (Troy)
Randy Stewart (Fresno State)
Tommy Spangler (Louisiana Tech)
Andy Buh (Nevada)

D
Jim Knowles (Duke)
Todd Bradford (Maryland)
Brian Knorr (Wake Forest)
Vic Shealy (Kansas)
Tim Banks (Cincinnati)
Tracy Claeys (Minnesota)
Derek Mason (Stanford)
Chris Ball (Washington State)
Bob Shoop (Vanderbilt)
Brian Mitchell (ECU)
Chuck Driesbach (Rice)
Brent Guy (Tulsa)
Tommy West (UAB)
John Skladany (UCF)
Chris Smeland (Army)
Kevin Cosgrove (Akron)
Phil Snow (Eastern Michigan)
Jon Heacock (Kent State)
Jimmy Burrow (Ohio)
Chuck Heater (Temple)
Larry Kerr (Colorado State)
Kurt Van Valkenburgh (Florida Atlantic)
Troy Reffett (Louisiana Monroe)
Clint Bowen (North Texas)
Lance Guidry (Western Kentucky)
Dave Aranda (Hawaii)
Kent Baer (San Jose State)
Dale Lindsey (New Mexico State)

D-
Jay Hopson (Memphis)
Chris Rippon (Marshall)
Dan Disch (Southern Miss)
Steve Stanard (Tulane)
Andre Patterson (UTEP)
Steve Kaufusi (BYU)
Mike Elko (Bowling Green)
William Inge (Buffalo)
Pete Rekstis (Miami Ohio)
Jay Niemann (Northern Illinois)
Mike Ward (Toledo)
Dave Cohen (Western Michigan)
Osia Lewis (San Diego State)
Marty English (Wyoming)
Mark Criner (Idaho)
Bill Busch (Utah State)

F
Jay Bateman (Ball State)
Joe Tumpkin (Central Michigan)
George Barlow (New Mexico)
Kraig Paulson (UNLV)
Greg Stewart (Louisiana Lafayette)
Steve Ellis (Middle Tennessee State)



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Re: Coach ratings

Post by shakenbake on Mon Jul 04, 2011 5:53 pm

I may be wrong, but I think i rememeber hearing A+ coordinators that are hired as a Head Coach will not be a A+ Head Coach. If someone can confirm this you may want to adjust your ratings.

But as to what you posted, I think its an excellent list!

A few suggestions I might add:

I would change is Brian Kelly from a "B" as a HC to a "B+", It's hard to ignore the excellent jobs he did at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, and Cincinnati. He also looks to have ND headed in the right direction.

Then i might change Dana Holgerson from a "C+" to a "B-". You said you thought Muschamp would be rated an ~A as a coordinator but then you rated him "B-" as a Head Coach. I feel like Holgerson was a premier coordinator on the offensive side of the ball like Muschamp was on the defensive side. The only difference between the 2 may be that Muschamp was a premier name longer than Holgerson. That may sound a little picky but its just a suggestion.
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Re: Coach ratings

Post by volstopfan14 on Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:20 pm

shakenbake wrote:I may be wrong, but I think i rememeber hearing A+ coordinators that are hired as a Head Coach will not be a A+ Head Coach. If someone can confirm this you may want to adjust your ratings.

But as to what you posted, I think its an excellent list!

A few suggestions I might add:

I would change is Brian Kelly from a "B" as a HC to a "B+", It's hard to ignore the excellent jobs he did at Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, and Cincinnati. He also looks to have ND headed in the right direction.

Then i might change Dana Holgerson from a "C+" to a "B-". You said you thought Muschamp would be rated an ~A as a coordinator but then you rated him "B-" as a Head Coach. I feel like Holgerson was a premier coordinator on the offensive side of the ball like Muschamp was on the defensive side. The only difference between the 2 may be that Muschamp was a premier name longer than Holgerson. That may sound a little picky but its just a suggestion.
Both points you made were things I debated. The thing about this is, you could move just about any coach in here up or down 1 level and it would still look pretty accurate.
You may be right about the coordinators losing a bit of prestige when they become a HC. If I remember right, I've seen screenshots that show that they stay the same. If I'm wrong, it will be easy enough to fix as it is just a letter grade difference.

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Re: Coach ratings

Post by shakenbake on Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:25 pm

Sounds good afro
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Re: Coach ratings

Post by JoshC77 on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:01 pm

Based on the progression issues this game has, and the fact that the first patch will not address it, I would recommend dropping all of the coach prestige ratings significantly. The problem is tied into high coach prestige causing rapid progression. Studies have shown that dropping coach prestige ratings can delay this rapid increase in player ratings. It seems like dropping all the coaches to the 'D+' level or lower (dropping 40 points) works very well. There is more info in the OS forums...

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Re: Coach ratings

Post by Xaos on Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:56 pm

Todd Grantham is the best DC in the game, if not, he's definitely one of the best. He took UGA to a bottom 3 SEC defense to a Top 5 defense nationally in 3 years.

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